TO GO AROUND THE PROBLEM is only by road:
To go around this area start at Interstate 10 to the Big Bear Area or Onyx off of Hwy 38 RAINBOW LN at mi 253.1 or Pipes Road leave straight at the first bend or go down the road until across the PCT.
(By Bus check the PCT Ass. under area closure on So. Calif.)
THE CROSS COUNTRY ROUTE:
People are now taking a cross country route:
This is crossing or cutting across of a U-shape of the bend of the stream bed!!
Leave the trail at 236.4 (near a campsite and elevation just above 6,000 ft.).
Go North:
You should be returning back to the trail at 245.1 (at elevation just above 8,000 ft. and with a view of a Peak).
Distance around 2 miles without the gain of elevation.
Do not do this alone!!!
YouTube:
4. PCT 2024 NoBo, Mission creek - Big Bear
2 weeks ago
mile 226 - 266 ridge walk bypass
www.youtube.com/@callofadventure6733
---Best answer for getting Transportation is ---
THIS SEASON 2024
El Nino is the story of this year (2024), but not like last Year!!
24" current (July to June) {23-24 inches} as of May 15th - snow is melting fast
Because of the El Nino was so large at the start of this 2024 year with
In Section B area of has higher elevation and of heavy snow pack of year [2023] with major weather storms {past six feet or more}
[this snow pack did go into June and patches into July {like 2023}].
2022-23 YEAR WAS THE BIGGEST SNOW PACK IN THE HISTORY OF CALIFORNIA::::
For more information about the 2023 and other high years see "2023 and Past Weather"
Last up dated Mar 20 2024--Spring time since March 19
This website is made and update by the owner known as Grumpy.
Special Notes:
Welcome page with information with the next Section Contents:
Welcome to Section B. Hope this site can be helpful to you.
Mar. 2024, this SITE had some changes because of changed ownership, out of Business & New Business
Idyllwild is always changing, going thru the places listed to get better information on each.
A website on Idyllwild - called "Idyllwild, California" which has Translate website www.idyllwildcalifornia.com maybe help for you but with translations - has limited information.
We have lost a few business that I marked TEMPORARY or PERMANENTLY CLOSED.
This website is to help you to your needs.
Use the bars at the top for the section of the list below:
Check the end of this section for information about MAYOR Max
There has been trail problems and closure from 2013 to the beginning of 2021 other than normal winter time weather conditions includes;
2022 season problems where heat and lack of water [one person did die in Anza area].
2023 YEAR HAS THE BIGGEST SNOW PACK IN THE HISTORY OF CALIFORNIA
2024 starting out with limited problems - moisture a little low than normal - the high wildness has some problems of ice check the website www.sanjacjon.com
see the history of 2013-2021 section.
PCT Water Report
Twitter PCT weather updates can be sent by SMS to your phone if you text “follow @pctwx to 40404” even if you don’t have a twitter account. also, can get a print out at the Idyllwild Library.
Part One this will download to a pdf file
"San Jacinto Trail Report"
https://www.sanjacjon.com (Section B Only) Trail reports conditions, and water
"independently run by Jon King"
Jon makes this report does this by his labor and time is volunteered, the San Jacinto Trail Report (completely depends on small private donations to cover operating cost). The Donate page can be found on his report just at the end of the day report. (Zelle, Venmo, and PayPal)
He received a local award "Ernie Maxwell Community Spirit Award 2022" Recipient
Need Transportation for short trips to/from trailheads or long trips: around problems areas [like closure or trail problem like weather], places to lodge, supplies, food, or medical?
Philosophy of This Site.
The Paths We Travel - Idyllwild
This is the place to get a great start for Section B.
A place on the Hwy 74 just one mile from the PCT mi. 151.
A place to find rides to/from Idyllwild and other place.
{Before you head for the high wilderness above 8,000 ft.}
As Idyllwild is a non-incorporated town, it has no human mayor. Upon his arrival to Idyllwild, in the past was"Max was accompanied by two deputy mayors: Mikey and Mitzi (Mikey Mighty-Dog Mueller and Mitzi Marie Mueller)." The change a new and younger Max "Max III" with his sister and started His duties on Dec. 10, 2022 after the passing of Max II.
There is no service that comes up the mountain (except: Discount Cab Taxi Valley Cab Banning - see below) Taxi, Bus, Lift, or Uber (the last two will bring people up only or just on vacation for themself).
We have a IDYLLWILD SHUTTLE for local service and twice a week off the mountain routes - go to Service Section for more information (reservation call in).
These names say that they do transportation in this area. I can not verify and not responsible for their actions and services. Many are for certain amount of money depending on the trip. Gas is around $5+ gal.
*Grumpy:: On vacation now until March 12, 2025
Season from March 12 to up to the Thursday of Memorial weekend.
*Cierra +1(951) 322-2981 year round
*Steven P +1(858) 472-5804 year round - Part Time
*Marsha +1(951) 357-8509 $ year round - mainly local (but Airports at time)
Terri +1(619) 933-2306 leave a message
Stephanie +1(760) 656-5405
Marcia +1(951) 357-8509 (Tues/Wed/Thur)
*Steve's Transportation Service Has Changed to long distance travel
From the mountain to below or the other directions
+1(702) 595-2502 $ year round (see below also long distance)
*Les +1(858) 866-6490 $ year round (see below also long distance)
*Idyllwild Services +1(951) 392-8460 $ year round (see below also long distance)
Another place with angels: idyllwildpcttrailangels@facebook
Next section has a listing of roadways to leave this area:
MAJOR CHANGE: On vacation now until March 12, 2025 !!!!
For Grumpy Trail Angel Service is: +1(951) 500 - 5954 Text and Voice Only
Main Focus on these Routes from Idyllwild::
Always the PVC and trail head Hwy 74 at 151mi.
Black Mountain Road Junction of the Hwy 243 (7+ miles north of Idyllwild on the Hwy 243) that leads up to the Junction of PCT at 191 mile.
Limited only in Section B: at 151 mile Junction of Hwy 74 to Black Mountain Road Junction of the Hwy 243 No dirt roads
These names say that they do transportation in this area. I can not verify and not responsible for their actions and services. all charge fees by mile or location.
Steve's Transportation Service
+1(702) 595-2502
Les +1(858) 866-6490
Idyllwild Services +1(951) 392-8460
Idyllwild Transport +1(951) 265-6755
Terri French +1(619) 933-2306 {rates vary} plan ahead a set a time
Next section has a listing of roadways to leave this area.
This is the only company off the mountain say it does service to this area.
Discount Cab Taxi Valley Cab Banning +1(951) 228-6858
There are Trail Angles for local trips and just a thumb with a pack gets friendly local residents for short & long trips - (money not required but most will except tips or gas money). {Gas is plus $5 a gal.}
The best way off the mountain for hitching a ride is at Paradise Corner.
The worst way is going north on hwy 243 (that is 30 plus miles to Banning from Idyllwild.)
Talk to people for other possibilities. Like Grumpy.
gothook?? new name a ownership change "FarOut" check there too.
Roads that you can use to pass around this of PCT Section B {of Idyllwild} or protions of the area other than hiking are:
[A] Hwy 74 at
Paradise Valley
turn on to Hwy 371 then
West on Hwy 79 to
Temecula
[Interstate 15]
[B] Hwy 74 at
Paradise Valley
East on Hwy 74 to
Palm Desert & Palm Springs to
[Hwy 111/Interstate 10]
[C] Hwy 74 at
Mountain Center
West on Hwy 74 to
Hemet
[Interstate 215]
[D] Hwy 243 at
Mountain Center
North @ Hwy 74 thru Idyllwild to
Banning.
[Interstate 10]
[E] Hwy 243 at
Idyllwild
North on Hwy 243 to
Banning
[Interstate 10]
[F] Int-10 at
Banning
East to Palm Springs or
West to Los Angles
Whitewater Canyon Road is open again after washout 2019 and due to the CVID-19 Closed during crisis!! and wildfires and flooding (hurricane Aug 2023)
As a result, the Whitewater Preserve is open for day use {my last timed checked Feb. 2021}, according to the Wildlands Conservancy.
Then open for PCT hikers with staying over night.
+1(760) 325-7222
https://wildlandsconservancy.org/preserves/whitewater
I developed this site to help your trip in this section of the PCT. After a hundred plus miles from the south is my main focus {south to north} with many needs can develop on your challenge or a journey. Resupplying, replacing, and resting is the needed to complete the journey and hopefully without many instances.
The town of Idyllwild has services, stores, places to stay and friendly people who are willing to assist you towards your goal.
Oh, I am Steve. But I go by "GRUMPY" on and off the trail. It's not just a mood it's a lifestyle. I am not an trail angel, but an Angel Assistant and a section B web master. {45 years lived in Idyllwild} see Friendly People Section
Below picture, a look Eastward towards the town of Idyllwild at 5,397 ft. with the center part above the lowest part of the PCT in view at mi 179.4 - 8139 ft. the Saddle Junction the highest in view on the right Tahquitz Peak Lookout at 8646 ft.
Not in view is Marion Man. at 10,362 ft. is the largest peak that can be seen from Idyllwild.
Some 180 or so miles from the boarder is the town of Idyllwild. I first seen this town before my teen years in the early 1960's. Since then I kept returning to enjoy the area and the high country unit May of 1978 which it became home.
SECTION B:
California Section B - 100 miles
Start - Hwy 79, mile 109.5 3,030 ft [near Warner Springs]
End - Hwy Interstate 10, mile 209.5 1,335 ft [near Cabazon]
Highest point at 9,048
The travel on the PCT after crossing Hwy. 74 at the 152 mile mark the route changes with elevation changes thru a mountain range of the San Jacinto with a peak 10,834 feet. The Pacific Crest Trail travels round the peak on the west side up to 9,000+ feet. You start at Hwy 74 crossing mi. 151 at 4,900 feet to the highest part of the trail around mi. 182 at the Junction with Wellmans Cienaga Trail at 9030 ft. and mi. 186
Weather becomes a problem in certain years making travel extreme for early in the year up to June. Normal moisture is 26.3 Since 1929-1930
The extremes is the only way to understand the climate in Southern California:
The End of Section B:
Hwy10 - Interstate Hwy 10 - mi 209.5 - 1335 ft
Trail Angels are around for the season of Mar. to June and some are year round.
Find some of the phone numbers can be found here and some have number some phone numbers like the place to stay at Paradise Valley Cafe (many just show up) and Normad Venture.
Only public Transportation:
Except for the “IDYLLWILD SHUTTLE” on Mon. PALM DESERT & PALM SPRINGS & Wed. HEMET 1 (951) 426-9688 http://www.idyllwildshuttle.com
For other transportation push the button below (the information is on this page).
It is only one mile west of the hwy 74 crossing.
+1(951-659-3663)
at hwy.74 151.9 mi mark go west one mile
Order while on the trail, package to go>
Come join for a wonderful meal in the mountains. Located at the intersection of the 74 and 371 highways in Mountain Center, CA, we welcome Bikers, Hikers, and Horseback riders. Our dog friendly patio is a wonderful place to spend the afternoon. So whether you are coming from the desert, the mountains, or the beach, we are here to offer you the best food in a great environment.
Open daily:
Sunday 8am to 3pm
Mon-Tue 8am-3pm
Wed-Sat 8am-8pm
Can get rides to Idyllwild for here by Trail Angels!
Water during opertion hours only - well water.
1 mile W of PCT of the hwy 74 crossing.
Welcome to Mayor Max's website.
Max (Maximus Mighty-Dog Mueller) was voted into office during an election held on June 11, 12, and 13, 2012 in Idyllwild, and was inaugurated to a one-year term on July 1, 2012.
As Idyllwild is a non-incorporated town, it has no human mayor. Idyllwild Animal Rescue Friends (ARF), a non-profit 501(c)(3), spons
Welcome to Mayor Max's website.
Max (Maximus Mighty-Dog Mueller) was voted into office during an election held on June 11, 12, and 13, 2012 in Idyllwild, and was inaugurated to a one-year term on July 1, 2012.
As Idyllwild is a non-incorporated town, it has no human mayor. Idyllwild Animal Rescue Friends (ARF), a non-profit 501(c)(3), sponsored Idyllwild's first-ever mayoral election. Any local resident was permitted to nominate his or her dog or cat. 14 dogs and 2 cats were nominated and ran for office. Constituents cast their votes via $1 donations each, and all $31,000 of the proceeds benefited ARF.
Max won a full two-thirds of the votes, and became Idyllwild's first mayor.
Max's popularity moved the people of Idyllwild to appeal to ARF for his continuation in office beyond his one-year term. On February 9, 2013, ARF announced the extension of his one-year term to a second and final year, ending on June 30, 2014.
On April 2, 2013, Mayor Max passed away. The successor for the remainder of Max's term, Maximus Mighty-Dog Mueller, II, arrived in Idyllwild on July 21, 2013. Idyllwild Animal Rescue Friends approved his mayoral transition plan.
Upon his arrival to Idyllwild, Max was accompanied by two deputy mayors: Mikey and Mitzi (Mikey Mighty-Dog Mueller and Mitzi Marie Mueller). The trio is often referred to as "the Mayor and the spares" or simply "the Mayors of Idyllwild."
Mayor Max, Deputy Mayor Mikey, and Deputy Mayor Mitzi are all related to Mayor Max, I; all four dogs share a common ancestor. Mikey and Mitzi are siblings from the same litter, and Max is a cousin of theirs. Mikey and Mitzi were born in Ohio, and Max was born in California.
In March of 2014, as the June 30 end of Max's term approached, ARF solicited the town's interest in holding another election. Once again, the people overwhelmingly pled for Mayor Max's continuation in perpetuity. Mayor Max and his two deputies, Mikey and Mitzi, continue to serve the town of Idyllwild.
Feel free to contact the Office of Mayor Max of Idyllwild at any time.
Job Description
The Idyllwild Mayor shall do his/her best to be a positive representative for the communities of Idyllwild, Pine Cove, Fern Valley, and Mountain Center.
The Mayor shall:
- endeavor to promote this mountain community on and off the Hill.
- support commissioners in their projects.
- strive to be present at community events suc
Job Description
The Idyllwild Mayor shall do his/her best to be a positive representative for the communities of Idyllwild, Pine Cove, Fern Valley, and Mountain Center.
The Mayor shall:
- endeavor to promote this mountain community on and off the Hill.
- support commissioners in their projects.
- strive to be present at community events such as outdoor concerts, festivals, fairs, and the July 4 parade.
- do his/her best to accept invitations for official visits, such as ribbon cuttings, "mixers," etc.
- speak out on behalf of the animals of this mountain, domesticated and non-domesticated.
Has pasted on 2022
Mayor Max III arriving soon - story at
{Idyllwild "Town Crier" Vol. 77 No. 42 Thurs. Oct, 20, 2022}
Office of the Mayor of Idyllwild
P.O. Box 1848
Idyllwild, California 92549
+1(951) 659-0283 Mayor Headquarters Office
+1(949) 525-0100 Phyllis Mueller Mobile
On September 5, 2022, Mayor Max, III was born. He arrived home on November 6, 2022, along with his sister, Meadow. Mayor Max, III's debut to Idyllwild and
Office of the Mayor of Idyllwild
P.O. Box 1848
Idyllwild, California 92549
+1(951) 659-0283 Mayor Headquarters Office
+1(949) 525-0100 Phyllis Mueller Mobile
On September 5, 2022, Mayor Max, III was born. He arrived home on November 6, 2022, along with his sister, Meadow. Mayor Max, III's debut to Idyllwild and commencement of duties was on December 10, 2022.
Mayor Max, III continues to serve the town of Idyllwild, along with Vice Mayor Meadow, Deputy Mayor Mikey, and Deputy Mayor Mitzi.
When you come, please be sure we meet! I am in town daily, but always welcome visitors and locals to call and arrange meet-ups.
The sides of the mountain that faces the sun from noon on melts faster!!
{PCT 2021} Climate year 2020-2021 stared warm and dry until the end of Dec. 28.
Then three storms at the end of Jan. a lot of snow and low elevations on some of the storms. Snow pack was very small and melted off early and fast.
{PCT 2022} climate year 2021-2022
has a better state with July 2.32 with normal 0.63 but November we had zero with normal 2.35 and then the moisture are most stopped. Next three months less than 1/3 of normal moisture and drying up the water sources.
THE 2023 YEAR was
THE BIGGEST SNOW PACK IN THE HISTORY OF CALIFORNIA::::
In Idyllwild, the snow was mainly the months of February and March:
March 1 was about 20 inches of new snow made 34 inches plus on the ground my house {other places in Idyllwild was uptown 45 inches}. The largest amount of snow on the ground in Idyllwild at 5200 feet for this year.
{PCT 2023} Climate year 2022-2023 year
THE BIGGEST SNOW PACK IN THE HISTORY OF CALIFORNIA::::
with rain through the summer into the Autumn
September had a hurricane came up off in the water towards Southern Calif. bring that month up to 3.46 inches and with a twice the normal November.
Then came January and March both with almost 14 inches of moisture:
{Jul -- Jun total 46.12 greatest since 1997 - 1998 50.37 inches}
(I do the old year measure [July 1 to June 30]* our total for Idyllwild 0ver 44+ inches total moisture this year and amount of about 90 inches plus* of snow, Jan. was 13.91 inches of moisture moisture and trace of snow).
[Total Moisture: is melted down snow water and fallen rainwater.]
More than 12 atmospheric river [us local old people remember that we call it the "Pineapple Express" coming from Hawaii of the Tropical Pacific Ocean, which was named before satellites!!!
Most of the time the snow level is about 7,000 ft. but this year is different effected by other systems at play.
The data I found back to 1929 for Idyllwild here is some records: I am finishing my 46 year living in Idyllwild.
Weather dry, wet, snow, wind has effect this area many times plus conditions for fires makes the trip in section hard.
A special video I got sent to me by a co-PCTer a YouTube
from Quaking Leaf
"PCT San Jacinto Section Info and Advice" 4/14- 4/17/2023
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